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		<title>By: lawrence brown</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lawrence brown]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 22:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i cant believe the peoples comments about there not being an afterlife? its like saying if they have not had one then it cant exist. i tell all you critics now especially he that wrote the article that you have no idea what you are talking about? dr pim van lommel is an ex pert medical surgeon who has interviewed people who have had ndes, i agree totally with the doctor and when i had my nde i was dead and resurrected in the place i went to? anyway you will all find out sooner or later when you breathe your last breath. im amazed how sceptical and unbelieving some people can be? if you deny the existence of an afterlife then you deny almighty god.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i cant believe the peoples comments about there not being an afterlife? its like saying if they have not had one then it cant exist. i tell all you critics now especially he that wrote the article that you have no idea what you are talking about? dr pim van lommel is an ex pert medical surgeon who has interviewed people who have had ndes, i agree totally with the doctor and when i had my nde i was dead and resurrected in the place i went to? anyway you will all find out sooner or later when you breathe your last breath. im amazed how sceptical and unbelieving some people can be? if you deny the existence of an afterlife then you deny almighty god.</p>
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		<title>By: Curving Normality Blog Carnival #3 &#124; Curving Normality</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Curving Normality Blog Carnival #3 &#124; Curving Normality]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 12:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] line of reasoning reminded me of a post I wrote a while ago, about a Dutch cardiologist Pim van Lommel who wrote a book about near death experiences. This book was based on findings he published a few years earlier in the Lancet. In that [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] line of reasoning reminded me of a post I wrote a while ago, about a Dutch cardiologist Pim van Lommel who wrote a book about near death experiences. This book was based on findings he published a few years earlier in the Lancet. In that [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Rense Nieuwenhuis</title>
		<link>http://www.rensenieuwenhuis.nl/measurement-accuracy-and-the-belief-in-an-afterlife/comment-page-1/#comment-1930</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rense Nieuwenhuis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, of course it might just be that there actually is a tunnel. That would be a consistent explanation. However, another answer might just as well be that a tunnel is so special because it&#039;s the way the retina dies out due to oxigen depression,]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, of course it might just be that there actually is a tunnel. That would be a consistent explanation. However, another answer might just as well be that a tunnel is so special because it&#8217;s the way the retina dies out due to oxigen depression,</p>
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		<title>By: ZP</title>
		<link>http://www.rensenieuwenhuis.nl/measurement-accuracy-and-the-belief-in-an-afterlife/comment-page-1/#comment-1927</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ZP]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 13:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Everybody goes through a tunnel.  Whatâ€™s so special about a tunnel?  Why not up a stairway, through a door, down a corridor or a street, over a bridge, or across a river?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everybody goes through a tunnel.  Whatâ€™s so special about a tunnel?  Why not up a stairway, through a door, down a corridor or a street, over a bridge, or across a river?</p>
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		<title>By: Rense Nieuwenhuis</title>
		<link>http://www.rensenieuwenhuis.nl/measurement-accuracy-and-the-belief-in-an-afterlife/comment-page-1/#comment-1519</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rense Nieuwenhuis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 18:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Steppen,

thank you for sharing this personal experience, and of course for your compliment.

I didn&#039;t know about the existence of people having had a &#039;bad trip&#039;, but I agree with you that this indeed would not mean that people actually went to hell, or are destined to do so. 

It occurs to me that we even should be careful not to moralize the trinity of people who did not have an near death experience, had a positive experience, or a bad one. It would be too easy for some (religious?) people to argue that it has already been made up who is destined to go where after the earthly life.

Nevertheless, as you point out in your reaction, there is much more to the occurrence of near death experiences than is covered in my post. Basically, all distinct elements have been replicated artificially, while it hasn&#039;t been possible to replicate `full&#039; near death experiences.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Steppen,</p>
<p>thank you for sharing this personal experience, and of course for your compliment.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t know about the existence of people having had a &#8216;bad trip&#8217;, but I agree with you that this indeed would not mean that people actually went to hell, or are destined to do so. </p>
<p>It occurs to me that we even should be careful not to moralize the trinity of people who did not have an near death experience, had a positive experience, or a bad one. It would be too easy for some (religious?) people to argue that it has already been made up who is destined to go where after the earthly life.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, as you point out in your reaction, there is much more to the occurrence of near death experiences than is covered in my post. Basically, all distinct elements have been replicated artificially, while it hasn&#8217;t been possible to replicate `full&#8217; near death experiences.</p>
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		<title>By: steppen wolf</title>
		<link>http://www.rensenieuwenhuis.nl/measurement-accuracy-and-the-belief-in-an-afterlife/comment-page-1/#comment-1518</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[steppen wolf]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 15:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Rense,

I agree with you. My mother had one of those, and she told me she could actually &quot;see&quot; people trying to reanimate her. Anoxia has been proposed as a possible explanation for these experiences quite a long time ago, and still looks to me like the most probable explanation. In fact, there is a tiny minority of people, probably not picked up here, who had a &quot;bad trip&quot; - went to hell, so to speak, rather than heaven. Does this necessarily imply there is a hell?

Many more people do not go somewhere else, they seem to &quot;stay in one corner of the room&quot; and observe the whole resuscitation process.
There is only one thing all these people have in common: they have a very peculiar experience, and they all had some form of anoxia - usually, but not always, brought about by a heart attack.

So jumping from there to the existence of paradise is a little preposterous.

P.S. I found you through ResearchBlogging. Nice article.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rense,</p>
<p>I agree with you. My mother had one of those, and she told me she could actually &#8220;see&#8221; people trying to reanimate her. Anoxia has been proposed as a possible explanation for these experiences quite a long time ago, and still looks to me like the most probable explanation. In fact, there is a tiny minority of people, probably not picked up here, who had a &#8220;bad trip&#8221; &#8211; went to hell, so to speak, rather than heaven. Does this necessarily imply there is a hell?</p>
<p>Many more people do not go somewhere else, they seem to &#8220;stay in one corner of the room&#8221; and observe the whole resuscitation process.<br />
There is only one thing all these people have in common: they have a very peculiar experience, and they all had some form of anoxia &#8211; usually, but not always, brought about by a heart attack.</p>
<p>So jumping from there to the existence of paradise is a little preposterous.</p>
<p>P.S. I found you through ResearchBlogging. Nice article.</p>
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		<title>By: Rense Nieuwenhuis</title>
		<link>http://www.rensenieuwenhuis.nl/measurement-accuracy-and-the-belief-in-an-afterlife/comment-page-1/#comment-1517</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rense Nieuwenhuis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 05:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi there, thank you for your comment.

The thing is, which I indeed did not point out in my post above, is that some of the people experiencing a cardiac arrest are able to remember details of what happened during the resuscitation. According to the -blood-pressure-too-low theory, that would not be possible.

Indeed, many of the experiences can take place when blood pressure is dropping. The tunnel and the white light is a very good example of that, for it is (possibly) due to &lt;i&gt;increasing&lt;/i&gt; anoxia in people&#039;s retina.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there, thank you for your comment.</p>
<p>The thing is, which I indeed did not point out in my post above, is that some of the people experiencing a cardiac arrest are able to remember details of what happened during the resuscitation. According to the -blood-pressure-too-low theory, that would not be possible.</p>
<p>Indeed, many of the experiences can take place when blood pressure is dropping. The tunnel and the white light is a very good example of that, for it is (possibly) due to <i>increasing</i> anoxia in people&#8217;s retina.</p>
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		<title>By: n/a</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 02:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Umm, I can&#039;t claim to know much about this topic, but is there any reason to think that near death experiences actually involve consciousness during cardiac arrest? I mean, sure, these people are reporting their memory of an experience which happened some time around their cardiac arrest. But presumably it takes some amount of time for blood pressure to drop, and anoxia will be happening for some amount of time after the cardiac arrest. People&#039;s perceptions - including time perception - get heavily distorted during anoxia. How would they know when the experience happened?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Umm, I can&#8217;t claim to know much about this topic, but is there any reason to think that near death experiences actually involve consciousness during cardiac arrest? I mean, sure, these people are reporting their memory of an experience which happened some time around their cardiac arrest. But presumably it takes some amount of time for blood pressure to drop, and anoxia will be happening for some amount of time after the cardiac arrest. People&#8217;s perceptions &#8211; including time perception &#8211; get heavily distorted during anoxia. How would they know when the experience happened?</p>
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